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Subsidize This: US Eyes Tariffs on Chinese Solar Panels, But What Gets Protected?

Firedoglake -- While trade is often a bone of contention between the U.S. and China, this week’s visit by Chinese V. President Xi Jinping threw the spotlight on one subset of that battle that could have far-reaching effects well in excess of the raw dollar amounts at stake.

At issue is a complaint filed by a solar industry trade group, the Coalition for American Solar Manufacturing asking that the US government impose tariffs on Chinese solar panels. CASM wants the duties for what it claims are unfair subsidies by China that make Chinese solar products substantially cheaper than those offered by many US competitors.

indicate the federal govt set to weigh in on the side of US solar energy companies in this brewing trade war, and so make a stand for domestic green energy manufacturing and good-paying job

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rbrk02 Champion Author Rhode Island Posts:5,719 Points:813,230 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:59:14 PM Ignore rbrk02 Report Abuse ExplorerWA, really have to agree. I, too, cannot see a 'win' here'.
texasvet Champion Author Texas Posts:3,823 Points:360,120 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:59:06 PM Ignore texasvet Report Abuse This is just a ploy by Obama to cadge more campaign contributions from the solar panel industry before the rest of them go broke.
bcok Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:2,106 Points:1,540,495 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:55:19 PM Ignore bcok Report Abuse Here comes the Chinese.
CAD69 Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:3,186 Points:842,240 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:53:22 PM Ignore CAD69 Report Abuse It will work for a little while
TedNC All-Star Author North Carolina Posts:985 Points:224,900 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:52:37 PM Ignore TedNC Report Abuse ok
jorod55 Champion Author California Posts:1,460 Points:427,950 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:51:00 PM Ignore jorod55 Report Abuse American Greed They know who they are.
Travel1st Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:2,905 Points:467,635 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:50:58 PM Ignore Travel1st Report Abuse I have stopped buying things made in China. It cuts down on quite a number of things available but at least I am not investing in the country that is buying our debt day by day. I am also worried that items that touch our skin and foods are toxic if they come from China. China has manipulated their currency to an unfair advantage, but Wal Mart is happy they do as most of their goods come from China. Oops too much said already.
carman11 Champion Author North Carolina Posts:3,319 Points:688,800 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:48:43 PM Ignore carman11 Report Abuse OK
1Casey Champion Author Albany Posts:6,513 Points:1,789,135 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:47:45 PM Ignore 1Casey Report Abuse Dumb azz politicians will put some loop hole in the plan, and we will end up paying more.
nwsynthetics Champion Author Oregon Posts:1,014 Points:344,475 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:47:03 PM Ignore nwsynthetics Report Abuse GREEN, GREEN, GREEN ARGH!
LSU_TIGERS_dmb Champion Author Louisiana Posts:1,714 Points:617,295 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:45:16 PM Ignore LSU_TIGERS_dmb Report Abuse What do you thick china would do. Also no one in the USA is buying green.
porotito Champion Author Houston Posts:2,140 Points:577,735 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:42:16 PM Ignore porotito Report Abuse People will buy something if it looks like a good deal...even if it comes from China or Canada.
nj2000ng Champion Author Houston Posts:1,507 Points:449,020 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:37:46 PM Ignore nj2000ng Report Abuse ok
bdlewis Champion Author Colorado Posts:1,384 Points:382,905 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:34:13 PM Ignore bdlewis Report Abuse We are so stupid
jetlagAK Champion Author Anchorage Posts:2,241 Points:633,625 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:32:19 PM Ignore jetlagAK Report Abuse More failed barackanomics. Why ship our jobs overseas and then tax the imported products more?
Amendes Champion Author Fresno Posts:2,500 Points:528,290 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:31:51 PM Ignore Amendes Report Abuse OK
RitaVespa Champion Author Oregon Posts:2,961 Points:788,360 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:30:50 PM Ignore RitaVespa Report Abuse ok...
sillywagon Champion Author New York Posts:14,857 Points:1,438,095 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:28:55 PM Ignore sillywagon Report Abuse If the Chinese Government wants to sell me some solar panels at below cost with the Chinese taxpayer footing the reduction... When it benefits the American consumer and costs the Chinese taxpayer... What problem is there? I don't see a problem? When China stops using it's taxpayers to subsidize export sales, then American manufacturers can start building solar panels.
livedream Champion Author Michigan Posts:3,664 Points:751,060 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:25:02 PM Ignore livedream Report Abuse Goatroper has a good point: "We need to be careful about applying tariffs without trade negotiations. It could backfire on us. Not that we need all the cheap plastic crap being imported by the ton, but we need them to be buying our products too."
firemunkee Veteran Author Maryland Posts:408 Points:56,450 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:24:45 PM Ignore firemunkee Report Abuse interesting
ropegun11 Veteran Author Illinois Posts:427 Points:441,515 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:24:45 PM Ignore ropegun11 Report Abuse ...Ok, rx7racercarca, I digress: ...President Obama is a very good orator, wordsmith, spin-artist, etc...In reality, the actual "change" for the American people is less than "hope"ful... :/ ...Happy now?
Kaiyne Champion Author Chicago Posts:2,324 Points:469,790 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:23:11 PM Ignore Kaiyne Report Abuse I agree with ExplorerWA
ExplorerWA Champion Author Washington Posts:4,062 Points:793,375 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:22:40 PM Ignore ExplorerWA Report Abuse A no win situation.
Bhmf4 Champion Author Alabama Posts:2,014 Points:1,230,570 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:20:43 PM Ignore Bhmf4 Report Abuse It is easy, pay Obama, and you will get subsidies and tariffs. No pay no play, that is the Chicago way.
NemoIL Champion Author Illinois Posts:3,005 Points:1,309,220 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:19:48 PM Ignore NemoIL Report Abuse We need tariffs on all Chinese goods.
milespergallon Champion Author Illinois Posts:9,729 Points:1,905,335 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:18:51 PM Ignore milespergallon Report Abuse There are so many issues here it will require someone with something more than book knowledge and the current occupant is 100% loser on this.
straz Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:1,708 Points:540,385 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:16:55 PM Ignore straz Report Abuse Look closely
Pointtx Champion Author Austin Posts:3,221 Points:721,405 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:15:51 PM Ignore Pointtx Report Abuse China is very good at playing the tariff game and the protectionism racket. As long as they continue to own so much of our manufacturing, they will continue to be successful at it, too.
Rockwoodband All-Star Author Flint Posts:584 Points:402,285 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:15:01 PM Ignore Rockwoodband Report Abuse Yeah, that's it. Piss China off.
GLM4205 Champion Author Toledo Posts:4,037 Points:796,295 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:13:42 PM Ignore GLM4205 Report Abuse No more subsidies.
SparkieMi Champion Author Kalamazoo Posts:3,244 Points:584,445 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:13:09 PM Ignore SparkieMi Report Abuse Interesting...
camaro_man Champion Author Kitchener-Waterloo Posts:2,215 Points:607,330 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:12:49 PM Ignore camaro_man Report Abuse buy canadian then....
EmperorsFinest Champion Author Chicago Posts:1,564 Points:340,870 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:11:43 PM Ignore EmperorsFinest Report Abuse There has to be an end to subsidies. The Chinese always seem to be a step ahead of us. A tariff placed on the panels would then be reflected in the price that they would sell to us.I don't believe that we win either way.
TonyPSU Champion Author Cleveland Posts:2,516 Points:691,280 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:11:06 PM Ignore TonyPSU Report Abuse a world economy is tough to deal with, especially when congress doesn't have clue on how to run the US economy. A change in DC is a must
PithyOpiner Champion Author Stockton Posts:16,184 Points:1,593,545 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:10:49 PM Ignore PithyOpiner Report Abuse I don't know man. What if, in retaliation, the Chinese raise prices on all the stuff they sell to Wal-Mart. How would you like those apples?
cimilluca1 Sophomore Author New York Posts:193 Points:234,425 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:10:29 PM Ignore cimilluca1 Report Abuse No more subsidies.
knot2swift Champion Author Calgary Posts:4,374 Points:695,250 Joined:Nov 2009	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:08:03 PM Ignore knot2swift Report Abuse We need "Ricer's" to make cheap panels for us. Maybe we can help a country feed a population bent on breeding their brains out in return. Seems like a "Win, Win".
Goatroper Champion Author Dallas Posts:6,584 Points:1,291,435 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:06:45 PM Ignore Goatroper Report Abuse We need to be careful about applying tariffs without trade negotiations. It could backfire on us. Not that we need all the cheap plastic crap being imported by the ton, but we need them to be buying our products too.
abcdMA Champion Author Worcester Posts:7,907 Points:1,571,955 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:05:56 PM Ignore abcdMA Report Abuse and even with the tarriff, the chinese models will be cheaper
ratones1 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:2,897 Points:728,205 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:05:45 PM Ignore ratones1 Report Abuse interesting...
Manual_Shifter All-Star Author New Brunswick Posts:501 Points:613,105 Joined:Jan 2004	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:05:21 PM Ignore Manual_Shifter Report Abuse Only if it can be proven that they are selling at less than their cost of production. Otherwise, if the American Coalition can't compete then they should do what many other sectors are doing - make deals with the Chinese or have them do the manufacturing for the American Coalition.
davenles Champion Author Texas Posts:3,181 Points:714,885 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:01:47 PM Ignore davenles Report Abuse We need to even the field.
Yankee829 Champion Author Dallas Posts:2,186 Points:555,590 Joined:Sep 2010	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:55:52 PM Ignore Yankee829 Report Abuse Amen
Tucker1961 Champion Author Seattle Posts:2,157 Points:363,170 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:53:13 PM Ignore Tucker1961 Report Abuse I'm with flynfool
FlyNFool Champion Author South Carolina Posts:8,224 Points:1,681,950 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:52:30 PM Ignore FlyNFool Report Abuse Tax the crap out of them!
fuelconscious Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:2,127 Points:548,020 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:52:28 PM Ignore fuelconscious Report Abuse Eventhough the cheaper solar panels are made in china, they still are priced to high for me.
mfeldstein Champion Author Ottawa Posts:8,161 Points:1,928,430 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:51:22 PM Ignore mfeldstein Report Abuse I suppose an upside is that it's good for the soul to see China playing the capitalist's game.
FrankTA2 Champion Author New York Posts:4,288 Points:1,092,835 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:47:10 PM Ignore FrankTA2 Report Abuse Good idea.
themaninthehat Champion Author New Orleans Posts:1,824 Points:472,265 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:41:03 PM Ignore themaninthehat Report Abuse and there's something rotten in Denmark
herbiepopnecker Champion Author British Columbia Posts:13,586 Points:2,503,305 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:40:37 PM Ignore herbiepopnecker Report Abuse Buy all the panels they make if they're losing money.
DEG Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:17,605 Points:3,491,680 Joined:Jul 2003	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:40:28 PM Ignore DEG Report Abuse It will only increase the price of solar panels to the US consumer.
DrLyon Champion Author Michigan Posts:6,635 Points:1,208,205 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:36:43 PM Ignore DrLyon Report Abuse Keep working on solar, no matter...